Apple’s Reckoning Has Come.

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Epic Games sued Apple so they could make more money from Fortnite - Apple sued back because THEY wanted more money through the App Store. But is that the whole story? It's clearly not, because we made a whole video about it. This fight is a WAY bigger deal than a simple cash grab.
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  • Jesus this music in the background is so annoying :(

  • Epic fights against Apple and Google mono(duo)poly. @ Epic makes Metro: Exodus, The Outer Worlds, Shenmue III and now Rocket League their own exclusives. Is that normal?

  • Monopoly we can see that the demoncratic party and republican party have a monopoly in the US politcs

  • I think Epic is only interested in the bottom line. I think it just makes there case sound better and perhaps gain more attention if they appear to be taking up a crusade for the average person.

  • I’m still a student so you can certainly find better legal analysis out there, but for what it’s worth Epic can’t win this. To walk in court after your client reneged their contract? Undermines the point.

  • I stand with Apple.

  • I don’t think multiple app stores are a good idea because of security reasons. Epic Games is just playing stupid. They had a contract, they should have followed it. Their loss.

  • Windows is a bit of a monopoly of the Desktop OS, but it also isn't charging anything to install a program unless it's through the rarely used Microsoft Store (seriously, who uses that thing?)

  • Who cares? Fortnite sucks. Why would anyone spend money on BS cosmetic items anyway.

  • For countries like mine, i feel safer using Apple billing system. If it becomes too open i fear a-lot of people will take advantage in my opinion. Also I don’t want to download antivirus in ios (i am not good at those stuff)

  • It's epic the good guy?

  • Fortnite should go with harmony os now lol. No fortnite in google android or iphone .

  • I want apple to take more commissions

  • Apple is interested in keeping devices running longer? Seriously? After all the update scandals and the lawsuits? How can he make that argument with a straight face?

  • This is definitely a slap fight Apple is not going to go down without a fight

  • when you look at iphone and the many resrictions they ind the store and the phone itself i can understand epic.

  • Your smile was the best most honest way to sell your sponsors 15:25 without feeling like you really want to sell

  • the 30 percent is for 1 year and the its 15 percent

  • Speaking as an actual iOS developer, I completely disagree that this would help developers universally, it might aid these few huge companies but I expect it would harm smaller teams and independent developers who wouldn’t have the resources necessary to go their own way. To some extent the App Store actually provides a more level playing field between developers. You also have to consider the huge amount of resources apple puts into aiding developers, this has to be payed for somehow, to me, an ‘Apple tax’ paying for it makes a lot of sense. If you took all the code that makes up an App like Spotify, a large part of it will actually be written directly by Apple in the form of various frameworks. Not to mention the development of Swift itself. At the end of the day, if Apple was forced to allow bypassing of the App Store, it would result in lower quality apps, risk to most users, and would makes things harder for the average iOS dev. Epic and Spotify are only raising this for their own financial gain, they couldn’t care less about anything else.

    • @TKPS what I’m getting at in my last paragraph is that Spotify etc. have no inherent interest in the success of other developers whereas Apple does have some as that success both benefits Apple directly as well as through keeping and bringing more users and other developers to their platform. I’m from the UK, I definitely wouldn’t trust our politicians to make informed and rational decisions on this stuff. Ideologically there is a problem with apple having so much control, however I think the reality is that disrupting that would make things worse for most people in the industry as well as for users

    • That last paragraph smacks of the 'think of the children' argument. I'd be surprised if this is even allowed outside the US. Lack of regulation is responsible and it's to one's local member that people should be going. But then the US government has also become so corrupted by money, that avenue is probably closed too. When it boils down to brass tacks, the CHOICE should be there. No matter what Apple spent in development. Any company will invest money in a venture if they have guaranteed huge profits in PERPETUITY, who wouldn't? I remember when Ebay announced a 'trial' in Australia whereby Paypal would be the ONLY payment method allowed. Federal government squashed that PDQ.

  • literally who cares

  • EPIC FOREVER

  • Did legal eagle make a video on this?

  • At first I didn't like the beard, but now I don't like the clean shaven linus

  • Unity is like 😶

  • #AppleTrash #FreeFortnite

  • if you cut to 15% will you get the same updates, safety market n all that from apple? if you think apple as a person then their motivation to keep app store and apps great would lose fast

  • This is what keeps me from buying an apple phone . I really like ios , and the iphone , just doesn't play well with anything else . So F*** Apple !!

  • Apple wants to you keep your device longer. Why they so against right to repair?

  • Mobile players rn 👁👄👁

  • Fantastic overview of the case. Thanks!

  • Don't use it.

  • Actually you can sideload on ios

  • I completely disagree. Apple works very hard to make sure malwares viruses etc stays out from their eco system and many out there have no idea how much malwares are constantly penetrating into either google or apple system applications every minute of the day. On top of that, my playground my rules is good because it benefits both parties in terms of profit and security. When others are happy, why not Epic and oh please stop with that "I'm trying to help others too" crap. Profit seekers always jump into an opportunity when they see one. Epic is just greedy. End of story.

    • And Apple isn't the least bit greedy are they? Give me a break.

  • Its like a browser will take a cut from online payments

  • The reason I only play actuall games that have good developers behind the game/app

  • this is kinda like those over pc melenials who oppress people they dont agree with in order to stop oppression, how long before people start suing shops for having a monopoly on selling groceries in there own shops

  • Linus - this video is sponsored by Asus Me - WHY

  • Fortnite has given epic a lot of fucking confidence haha. To take on apple.

  • I mean, this is in line with Epic's MO right? They don't like Steam, why would they like the app/playstore

  • Linus Law Tips

  • #freefortnite

    • I play on mac and I cant update so #freefortnite

  • My concern would be like you said the security of apps distributed on 3rd party app stores. iOS and Android users have enjoyed the security in knowing the apps they are downloading are usually free of malware. Harvesting of personal data maybe not so much.

    • And they can still get it from there if they want. The choice to get it elsewhere without it being a huge hassle or our phone's operating systems making it next to impossible is what they are asking for. Seems more than fair to me. Choice is always a right.

  • Apple allows self service

  • If my iPhone starts looking like my gaming PC with a billion different launchers I’ll be pissed off Kinda hope Apple comes out on top

    • If I couldn't install apps on my iPhone because I can't afford them I'd be pretty pissed off Kinda hope Epic comes out on top

    • Well i want epic games to win because Free games?

  • I expected to see or at least see the mention of Mat pat in the comments

  • I didn't know Micro Center did sponsoring... They are quite literally walking distance from where I live. I could (and have) gotten lost looking at everything they carry. If only I had the budget for a "dream computer"...

  • Epics argument that side loading or alt app stores on google devices is entirely retarded. The only thing android does is warn you that malicious apps can install themselves when the setting is off. I use fdroid instead of google play. I have no issues. Epic are being whiney babies. I cannot wait till the fortnite fad dies.

  • This is a brilliant move from Epic. App store, Play Store, Steam and other platforms taking a 30% cut just for providing a digital product is way too much. Everyone is hating on EPIC game store, but they actually treat their devs better than the competition.

    • THIS

  • Dont most companies take a %30 cut from app and or games from purchases

  • Good points

  • If a developers fee is "taxed" 30% before they have to pay income tax in their country of origin, then Apple/Bezo/Sony etc should get taxed from those countries the end-customer/app-user sends currency from. As Apple claims it to be an invented industry, it thus makes it kinda infrastructural. As it is online and globally accessable, an US appointed judge should not have the final rule, but who could/should that be? UN? I don't know, but we can't say that TimBL didn't warn us back in the day ;-)

  • Apple products are not magic. Their smartphones are smartphones and their workstations are workstations. A different architecture and OS doesn't change the fact that it's a computer.

  • good point.

  • You must get it through apple store. Jailbreak those iphones

  • People need to stop buying apple products, such greedy company and biggest scammer in modern era but all normies goes crazy when new apple phone is released, This type people just rush to apple store to spend 2k for new iphone just to use 3 same everyday KEKW.

    • You really don’t understand whats going on do you? I can very much tell you call yourself a gamer with pride. All you see are specs and fps and graphics. Everything Apple makes or does creates a great end-user experience many people love, and have no problem spending “$2k” (even though no iphone has ever gone over $1500 maxed out). So quit your bs and i hope you enjoyed my ted talk

  • Apple and epic hate each other Samsung holding hands with epic

  • Apple lowers cut to 15%* Epic games: “i like ya cut G”

    • OOooooOooOoOoOoO

    • Fortnite, I like your cut G (taco belllll)

    • Actually the first year of an app the tax is 30% then after it goes 15% for the rest that the app is up

    • underated comment

  • China has 48 percent share in Epic games. So basically it's chinese influence to file a lawsuit against apple and Google so that all the money directly goes into the chinese pockets. Also by not listing epic games app on app and play store means china has no interference of Apple and Google in regard of consumer privacy. They want all the money + also also slip into secure Apple devices via epic games app. World needs to be more aware.

  • If 30% is too much, some of our governments need to re-evaluate what they expect us to pay as tax on top of having to pay VAT. I heard that NFL players can loose up to 52% of the money when all is said and done. 30% is nothing on someone's platform tbh. Maybe create your own OS, hardware and do the markeingt so you can keep every cent🤔. Yes 30% is harsh but either create your platform or play by the rules. In fact, maybe don't release your app on their platform🤷.

  • whats beta games where they talk to u threw ur thoughts and threw ur skull????

  • I think epic just wants to bring the epic games store to mobile and they want to be their own type of app store so they dont have to pay the 30 percent which is bs. They should still have to go through the app stores, but it sounds like a good idea to change the standard cut for digital app stores down to 25 percent instead of 30. I think that would be pretty fair.

  • As per usual, I want epic to lose. Their behavior is frustrating.

    • No its not. People constantly whining at Epic for ridiculous reasons are frustrating.

  • One has to also remember that Tencent (who owns a portion of Epic) has an incentive to open ios to allow them to place their own app store on ios for the Chinese market. There is much more to this argument than people realise

  • Hi Linux, love your show. You did not talk about Apple slowing down there old devices with new update just before the release of a new phone so peoples buy the new phone.... or you really believe that "it's to save ion battery life"?

  • So no one knows bout the fact that the 30% developer fee is only for one year? The next year the fee drops to 15%.

  • That's the first time in my life I want epic to succeed in anything. Just because I hate apple more.

  • saying 30% is too high is stupid, epic should be suing Xbox and PlayStation as well because you can’t download apps from anywhere but the Microsoft store and PlayStation store and they charge 30% as well, at least Apple reduces that 30% after a year too. Epic complaining is them being greedy bitches who wanted attention.

    • They are not general computing devices. iphones and ipads are.

  • I actually support epic. I like my iPhone and would like to be able to take the risk of downloading alternative app stores.

  • DUOPOLY

  • Samsung phones allready have 2 stores. Appstore from google, And Samsung marketplace...

  • I'm cool with epic winning but I think they should just lower to 20% or 25.

  • Perhaps I treated you too harshly fortnight

  • Linus's segways are the best

  • Epic got fuck over

  • Pretty messed up that Epic is "mobilizing" literal children against Apple because they're in a legal dispute with them

  • You know that this isn't just Epic acting as some corporate technological Robin Hood, fighting against the evil Big Brother for locking down their appstores, Epic wants to form a monopoly themselves; through developer exclusive Epic deals and contracts, their own history with the Epic Store points in this direction.

  • because fortnite is bad.

  • Apple were the first to create a service like the App Store that works as well as it does. You download the app, it's ready to be used. No need to install it, it's ready for use when the download completes. The vendor gets paid, the user is protected and vendors don't need to setup their own infrastructure for distributing their products. Distribution, payment, security are non-trivial efforts. Those things cost money. "It's just a digital product!" Sure it is. It still needs to be sent to your computer, right? If you don't charge for your app, it's distributed for free, which would definitely cost the creator real money to handle, certainly in volume. That doesn't mean that there can't be problems between certain vendors and Apple, there are examples aplenty. Overall Apple offer a great services its users can trust so that developers can see their products being used worldwide. That's not a small thing, it's a big thing. As for third parties building their own version of an app store and selling products: save yourself the trouble, I'm never getting it. I don't trust third parties to care as much about the security of Apple's eco system as Apple do.

  • If Epic Games wants to create there own "gaming" app store/play store like Google and Apple, why don't they create there own Phone OS/Computer OS rather then get involved in a bunch of lawsuits and much more with big tech giants? If Epic Games did that, and make it gamer focused, they may have a chance at something but you never know.

  • This is fun. Finally Dev's will get proper earnings, and there would be a boost in the app development which will give users better experience on each platform.

  • It’s apples platform, same thing with a supermarket. They all charge fees

  • Apple: here's a new Mac Customer: what's new? Apple: the price

  • Epic now: PLS LET ME IN, LET ME IN!

  • Don’t have to buy apple so not a crime. Yes they are a large US money making soul destroying resource consuming company. Like lots of others. Capitalism etc PS don’t like the beard and I have one too

  • It's mind boggling that other developers aren't joining in with Epic in more mass.

  • Would have to agree here, Judge would be dumb not to see Apple has a monopoly on their eco-system, a 2 trillion dollar eco-system, that's bullshit.

  • Lol - is that an iWatch you are wearing??

  • Epic... sues TWO companies saying MONOpoly ...

  • Everybody support epic games 💪 they are the goats. Also I'll be buying all my games from epic games store from now on 💯

  • Why doesn't Wallmart, Amazon and other retailers pay the 30% Appstore tax, whereas companies selling digital goods like Epic or Spotify must pay it? Where is the logic that if I buy a $1.500 TV on Amazon through their iOS app, there is no 30% Apptax by Apple, but if I buy a $10 Spotify subscription, Apple gets a 30% share?

    • @Abcde Fghij Exactly! Just imagine iOS Appstore without the major shopping apps. Apple would never allow that. But with digital goods Apple has the upper hand because those companies rely much more on Appstore customers as some of those apps and games are basically useless outside iOS/Android.

    • If Walmart and Amazon had to pay the tax they would immediately take their apps off the store

  • Apple is such trash.

  • If Apple only constitutes a third of Fortnite’s revenue then how can it be a monopoly? Doesn’t make any sense. Where’s the other two thirds then?

  • We all know Fortnite way better

  • Now we just need LegalEagle to make a video about this, then we can get a lawyer’s perspective

  • i guess i would be more thankful towards epic if they didnt suck so much themselves

  • Hahaha gatta love when greed soaked parties finally hit a stalemate 😂

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