RTX 3080 Scalpers are JERKS - WAN Show September 18 , 2020

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Timestamps: (Courtesy of Michael O'Brien)
00:00:00 - Stream Start!
00:00:04 - Hey, what's up guys!?
00:00:15 - Topic #3: Apple Fall Event (Jump to 00:39:41)
00:00:19 - Topic #2: RTX 3080 & Scalping (Jump to 00:16:15)
00:00:26 - Topic #4: PS5 Pricing Announcement (Jump to 00:51:47)
00:00:55 - Topic #5: TikTok & WeChat Banned ( not covered )
00:01:04 - Topic #1: NVIDIA Kills SLI (Jump to 00:03:11)
00:01:36 - Intro
00:02:14 - Unofficial Topic #1: Ruth Bader Ginsburg's Passing
00:03:11 - Topic #1: NVIDIA Kills SLI
00:03:46 - And that is a kill steal, time of death, cause fo death
00:05:51 - Bummed Linus, but why?
00:07:01 - Compared to NVLink
00:08:34 - What is actually happening
00:10:33 - Games with native support
00:11:33 - Why should this not matter, practically
00:13:51 - Big vs little x 2
00:15:00 - Inte Xe ("ex-ee", not "zee") note
00:16:15 - Topic #2: Scalping w/ RTX 3080
00:16:33 - Hardware Canucks' response
00:17:25 - Linus' Good 'Ole Days as an NCIS Product Manager
00:21:51 - TechTuber's responses & reason
00:24:11 - Community of End User's response
00:27:33 - Manufacturer's expectations over the years
00:29:33 - Reviewer & "Buddy" promotion of new products
00:30:27 - lttstore.com - RGB Keyboard T-Shirts - Limited Edition
00:32:23 - Maybe no LTX 2021
00:34:40 - LTT CPU T-Shirt prize winner update
00:35:48 - Sponsors!
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00:37:48 - MSA MAG B550 Tomahawk - Link in description
00:39:41 - Topic #3: Apple Fall Event
00:39:48 - Spec breakdown
00:40:33 - Apple vs Android
00:41:40 - Luke's pondering with Linus
00:44:04 - Tablets vs large phones & UX
00:46:08 - Use case of tablets today
00:47:58 - Apple Watch details + Linus' watch idea
00:50:56 - [Apple] Watch SE
00:51:47 - Topic #4: PS5 Pricing Announcement
00:51:47 - XBox vs PS5, who won? FIGHT!
00:53:03 - Linus BANS Luke
00:53:49 - Sony's Plan vs Microsoft's Plan
00:55:24 - Luke's counter argument
00:57:47 - Console + subscriptions costs
01:01:45 - Linus' take on consoles vs PC gaming
01:04:55 - Linus' thoughts on being a gamer
01:07:24 - Overall thoughts on console market positioning
01:08:39 - Speculation on Nintendo Switch Pro
01:12:03 - Note #1: TikTok & WeChat Banned
01:12:09 - Note #2: NVIDIA's ARM/Arm purchase
01:12:42 - Note #3: lttstore.com is hiring
01:13:55 - 6 positions are open for hiring
01:14:41 - pseudo-hiring for LTT forums
01:17:36 - Superchats!
01:18:45 - RTX 8000 Quadro vs RTX 3080
01:19:02 - LTT Merch = Linus' wardrobe?
01:20:51 - LMG Pizza Party Day!
01:22:07 - PS5 Game prices
01:22:45 - Bye!
01:22:47 - Outro!

Komentari

  • Isn't eBay partly to blame for the scalping of the 3080s because they are allowing selling these newly released cards for exorbitant prices? Can't Nvdia or the other card makers tell eBay to not allow them to sell their cards for scalper prices? At least not until they have been on the market for a while? Has no one ever thought of this? Or has it been thought of but eBay doesn't care to help?

  • I just realised that buying a scalped 3070 off of ebay is the same as buying a 3070 in Australia

  • 41:10 - "You shouldn't be taking pictures and videos on your iPad unless you're a jack(bleep)" me, with the John Mulaney voice: Hey, my mommy does, so shut the f*ck up

  • I wish I could get the holofoil keyboard tshirt

  • IMO: the best tablet experience I’ve had was on my old Dell Venue with Windows 8.1. Windows 8.1 was far more tablet and touch ready than Win 10 is. And 10 is super bloated compared to 8.1. My two cents.

  • You guys should stop doing videos about the 30 series since no one can get them until next year and promoting them just makes people want to buy one from a scalper.

  • as far as the PS5, food, shelter, water thing.... The PS% is big enough to be your shelter.... :) I'm goign to wait a few months (like, February? March? and buy one of the GPUs that are out then.

  • Looks impossible that is just a scalper proble

  • Kinda dirty marketing there. Of course you sold out of those shirts so fast after basicly saying, "Buy a shirt. You "might" get a misprint that will win you a computer."

  • Scalpers only exist because people are willing to pay.

  • For me, for now, nintendo is killer, i have a pc for pc games and a switch for tv and mobile. First generation i wouldn't be buying a play station immediately.

  • Sli dead - but what about the next multiple gpu's for multiple users on one machine video type of thing? Is there still going to be a way to dedicate gpu's to different vms without any latency issues? Without sli, will motherboard manufacturers still be able to support multiple gpu's on a mobo for this type of use case?

  • Plot twist: The scalpers were Nvidia itself, just to inflate the GPU price. That's why the Nvidia produced limited no. of GPUs.

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  • 2 cards should be 2x the performance. Until that happens... i don't care for sli.

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  • You do realise that Nvidia are every bit as culpable as they created the conditions where the scalpers can operate. I suspect it is a marketing ploy and F the consumer as all the big companies appear to employ this method of the release of a much sought after product, look at Sony and the PS5. Why can't they wait and have a release date when they have plenty of stock for all, surely all these companies know approx how many items will sell on launch date. So if the scalpers are monsters what does that make Nvidia who have total control over this situation and are the ultimate beneficiaries of all sales.

  • I don't know why people are annoyed with scalpers. When you buy a GPU you're also paying for R&D. The more people pay, the less you pay later. That's why things tend to become cheaper over time. The costs are absorbed. NVIDIA could just realse the cards at a much higher price and bring them down every quarter, or so. It's similar to how prices change through distributers selling, promotions and clearance. I've bought a GPU in the past, that I wanted for the price, but wouldn't pay as much as others would. So, logically, I sold it for the higher price, and waited months before upgrading my own rig. People pay a premium whether it's directly through higher prices, or through a "scalper". You're paying to get the product sooner. If a scalper is asking too much, they're just holding onto an investment. It's no different than how other investments work. Either something gains value over time or temporarly has more value due to demand outweighing supply There's no reason for you to upgrade sooner. If you're really willing to spend more to get it now through a scalper, that's up to you It's an opportunity for the scalper, and for people who have money, and not the time/knowledge/patience to grab one at launch I'm using a GTX 1070. I would love any of these new 3070, 3080, 3090 or even a potential 3060. Though, I know from experience, my computer is the same as it was, just a little better graphics. I had a look on ebay and it doesn't look like I'd get much for the 1070. They're going way cheaper than the current retail price. I don't even really play games that much anymore. Building my computer was more of an obsession. I mostly play COD, the free one. It crashes and slows down a lot! I'm not talking performance, I'm talking errors, bugs etc. That's giving me more considerationfor getting a console instead. I think they're about twice as powerful as a 1070, or 2/3 as powerful as a 3070 Though, I know from experience, COD has always been a mess, AMD/Intel, AMD/NVIDIA. I don't think it matters what hardware you have for some games. Software is king, and I obsessed over hardware. Does anyone remember how cheaper HDDS were before the floods and how expensive they were after? They had to cover the costs of the facilities that got destroyed somehow

  • Day 85 of asking for a PC thanks 👍😁

  • No linus was right, if you want to play competitive go pc.

  • It's pretty normal to use an iPad without an iPhone. I like my iPad with my Samsung phone. It's great in a classroom/work/travel setting.

  • Are you guys for real? The reason SLI is dead is because all gaming companies are doing to the PC is porting over their stupid console games, so SLI became useless due to that fact. Has nothing to do with Nvidia at all. They just cancelled something that became obsolete because the gaming companies wouldn't support it. This is also the reason all our games are shitty Console games now, and not glorious PC level graphics. The only advantage PC"s have now is that you can mod games much much easier.

  • 3:52 is listened to before the car crash happens: hrwiki.info/plane/video/k9WmsZa4qYBux3Y

  • Linus and Luke drag manufacturers of 'hot items' for not making/supplying enough at launch. Immediately sell out of half the fancy limited edition tee shirt. 😂

  • The digital ps5 is the full hardware of the ps5 unlike the digital xbox which is less then the series x

  • MY COMPUTER IS DOG SHIT please fix it

  • Af preordered the disk version of the ps5 but am thinking swapping it for the digital one as I mainly play digital at the moment and there is no difference in the consoles there the same but xbox has the series s which is just a digital slightly upgraded X version lol

  • Imagine this card came out during the crpyto craze they would all be on ebay for 2k or more a just hate scalpers can't belive one guy got 42 units like wtf and any time new ones come out you can't get one the scalpers are just buying up like mad

  • 22:40 He stole the one he reviewed and admitted it today

  • PlayStation 5, with PS plus, I'll be playing in 4K all those games I had each month for my PS4. Sure, PS4 Pro "can do 4K", but I didn't swapped my PS4 for a Pro, first because I did not have a 4K tv, and when I got access to a 4K tv (my girlfriend's), PS5 was announced (or was it rumoured?)... so, I'm going to flip my PS4 for a PS5, for real 4K gaming... and xbox games? I have my PC for it... (and got no time for them, lol, I already don't have enough time for all the PS4 games I have from PS plus and the ones I bought, haha)

  • #partisan fight agains #warfare

  • PS5 and Xbox online release was plan stupidity. I had a preorder with eb games, only to find out it was only an interest to buy, as such I was misled by eb games and now not getting one because of the lack of stock. Their store assistant said it was only online and that I could get in on the 2021 shipment, not the case even this was sold out. 2021 is just a nice way of saying not for Christmas and gives them a whole year to forfill the order. Their parent company is gamestop, I hope they go under for all the pain they've put me through!

  • It's just getting worse, first I couldn't get wow classic boxset and had to pay ebay scalper for it, now 3080 and PS5, really sucks, I won't see the next console until march next year, Christmas is gonna suck!

  • Well I don't feel bad for the scalpers getting their ebay auctions defrauded, they had it coming! #karma

  • "I'm gonna buy [INSERT SOULLESS BUSINESS] no matter what!" (read: no matter if it sucks).

  • Honestly, I wouldn’t buy an iPad or an Android tablet. I would most likely get a 2-in-1 Windows laptop.

  • 53:02 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • Scalpers - if no one buys of them then they lose a load of money

  • we need to cut they duck off if they have one

  • Make a video about not buying on websites without "bot" protection. The problem would disappear very soon...

  • What makes this product hot? How about 10 years of top end graphics cards priced alongside unobtanium followed by the 3080 that benchmarks better than the $1000+ 2080 ti, but only costs $700.. People aren't stupid.

  • Scalpers are not "Jerks", or maybe they are up to certain point, but they aren't the real "Jerks"... the real "Jerks" are the ones who pretend to fool everyone of us with their products, saying how good they are, while at the same time, they know that they are lying and misleading their customers, and trying to justify high prices... and of course, those who follow their games are the worst...

  • The best way to stop scalpers, is to not buy from them, then they will be stuck with stock, and loose money when they can't sell them

    • seeing how hyped it is ; i’m sure they’ll find a buyer regardless

  • As a factor of sale price vs equivalent spec aftermarket price (~$1800 USD prior to the 3070's existence), the PS5 and XBoxSX are absolutely 10s. In a bubble, though, $500 is a *lot* of money for a console...

  • Linus T-shirt Tips

  • How to prevent scalping: Don’t sell a product below market value.

    • Wildly fluctuating pricing from retailers is just as bad, if not worse.

  • scalping wouldn't even be a thing if they had good stock levels

  • Hey Linus thanks for that message of thanks to the fans! It means a lot man!

  • My android tablet replaced my Smartphone, I do everything on it I would normally do on a smartphone, so whatsapp, games, netflix etc.

  • if you could connect the iPad to a windows machine as a tablet display like they can with an iMac, the iPad would be a serious competitor to all but the largest Wacom display tablets.

  • Wake up* Wake up in the morning feeling like P Diddie Switch my Apple watch on my wrist guna hit this city Or if you prefer WAKE UP! Gunaputonmydaytimeapplewatchandtakeoffmynighttimeonethendomymakeup

  • Oh God I can't stop looking at Linu's headphones LINUS I ADORE YOU 31:52

  • My Mom has a Samsung Galaxy Tab A (8.0 inch) in black, she uses it to play facebook style games and fill out web based forms.

  • F

  • Frick both consoles! Oculus quest 2 for 299!

  • So I took a nap and when I woke up (Friday) I opened the WAN show. Tldr, I am still in shock that this is how I found out RBG died

  • 1:14:16 why REACTJs and not ANGULAR?

  • Microsoft is giving so much shit away that they will literally run out of business soon. They cant afford to keep it up for much longer. Giving away xbox's with game services and monthly subs for new games, constantly buying new game devs and making them worse.....its not a good outlook. Their market is for the poor now and they are just eating the cost. Its xbox 360 all over again.

  • NVIDIA kills SLI and almost kills this motorist downunder in the process hrwiki.info/plane/video/k9WmsZa4qYBux3Y Luckily everyone seems ok

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  • i'll sign some shirts for you i'll even use my own shit as a pen, for ya, linus the minus.

  • my brother uses his tablet to read books, manga, etc. really the only reason he bought it. i have a kindle i use for reading. i wouldn't consider it a tablet though. it can't do anything else, but display books

  • wrong, most enthusiasts know: how to use a search engine and "buy elsewhere, online" wakeup, you ranting 'poor boys'.

  • dang Linus, you gotta mute the message chirps, i keep thinking i'm getting a message...

  • Sony fanboy lol

  • You already have the timestamps. Why aren't they formatted to be read by HRwiki so the video can be chapterised?

  • Ohh boy how sensitive are people these days, you can't watch a video of a graphics card you can't buy right now? Are you kidding me? Instant gratification is doing wonders to human dignity...

  • About Linux Xbox iterations theories... that all seems fine from a consumer point of view until you factor in the developpement hell and the depreciation of your old console that runs the same game like a pig on some games... Console specific optimization would take a hit, mitigating the gains. I'm personnally eager to learn more about AI upsampling on console. But if Microsoft add a Surface box in the serie it would really be a game changer.

  • Make a video on "Gaming Valorant clusters of Rasberrypi " with windows installed on it.

  • blames on nvidia...

  • On September 22, "Channel availability 3080 volume alone into the channel, second day out of the gates, is 216% more than all 20x0 grade SKUs second day and where it took 20x0 full line nine weeks to reach the same level of channel supply as 3080 alone in the first two days." More is coming see GPU Today. mb

    • Oh, a revolt against democratic capitalism. mb

    • Scalpers, the reflection on 3080 price hike out of the gate, Nvidia and channel know all about perfect price competition. Really, for the lab who have clusters running 10 Titan RTX in parallel, 100 RTX 6000, 1000 Pascal 4000 you're going to pay whatever for the equivalent number of 30x0 because it gets the job done and if you can do that ahead of your competitors for the pay out, why not, buy now and pay for that privilege as a competitive advantage. It's not scalpers, it perfect price competition. See GPU Today for volumes on the way. mb

  • If Nvidia wanted to make the most money, they would take preorders before announcing the release date, figure out how much time it will take them to manufacture the number of cares required to meet the preorder and then set the release date to sometime after whatever that timeframe is.

  • Maybe if they just did Pre-orders, then none of this would happen.