This is a REALLY bad take - WAN Show October 23 , 2020

Datum objavljivanja: 23. Lis 2020.
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Timestamps (Courtesy of Michael O'Brien):
00:00:00 - Stream Start!
00:00:08 - And welcome to the WAN Show ladies and gentlemen
00:00:21 - Topic #2: Danish retailer on RTX 3000 supply (Jump to 00:32:50)
00:00:47 - Topic #3: Alleged RX 6800 benchmarks (Jump to 00:49:01)
00:00:53 - Topic #1: Tweets on the streaming industry (Jump to 00:03:25)
00:01:11 - Topic #4: Intel sold NAND business unit (Jump to 00:51:41)
00:01:42 - [Tepid] Intro
00:02:12 - Unofficial Topic #1: People Giving Linus Crap
00:03:29 - Topic #1: [Alex Hutchinson] @BangBangClick's Twitter Comments
00:04:07 - The meat of the topic
00:05:05 - Linus back with the meme moments...
00:05:06 - Luke's take
00:09:14 - Linus' take
00:12:43 - Streaming isn't the complete context
00:15:15 - How the Industry reacted
00:17:09 - But the EULA...
00:18:30 - Let's not forget about Fair Use w/ anecdote
00:23:10 - It is not cut and dry
00:25:50 - Summary of argument
00:26:45 - And L&L's assessment of Alex Hutchinson's tweet?
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00:32:50 - Topic #2: Proshop, Danish retailer fulfillment stats
00:33:08 - RTX 3090 stats
00:34:12 - RTX 3080 stats
00:34:46 - RTX 3070 stats, despite embargo
00:36:53 - Manufacturing bottleneck behind the delay
00:38:17 - Linus' opinion on the topic
00:39:59 - In all seriousness though...
00:43:53 - NCIS Story Time! - Gather 'round the Pentium 4 space heater, kids
00:48:45 - Back to UT #1 :p
00:49:01 - Topic #3: Alleged RX 6800 benchmarks
00:50:20 - Luke's hot take
00:51:41 - Topic #4: Intel sold NAND business unit
00:51:41 - Details of sale & reasoning
00:53:27 - Unofficial Topic #2: Secret Shopper is BACK!
00:54:03 - SI's are: iBuyPower, CyberPower, Dell, HP, Main Gear, and Origin PCs
00:58:10 - 2nd stealth giveaway details...
00:59:13 - New floatplane.com entries, Lon.TV & Craft Computing
00:59:34 - Craft Computing shot out (someone else want to tell me what the other is?)
01:00:14 - Unofficial Topic #3: Loot Box Lawsuits
01:00:31 - The thoughts on the topic
01:02:39 - Uofficial Topic #4: McBroken
01:04:35 - Superchats!
01:04:58 - Linus can't adopt you
01:05:31 - DMCA & Copyright Policy
01:11:10 - LMG is hiring - linusmediagroup.com/jobs-1
01:12:56 - Bye!
01:12:59 - Outtro!

Komentari

  • mate, I don't believe they should buy a licence because it is free marketing for the developers. COD, Fortnight, World Of Warcraft and a spat full of others wouldn't be able to have the sales they get or even the people they have subscribe to their games if it were not for the streamers. I myself treat the streamers as a window shop/try before you buy which in turn helps my decision process and if I buy the game, the developer gets his dosh. BANG BANG!!

  • Idea for a future video... My last pc build was probably 11years ago before I ended up needing a disc in neck fused and then we realised our son was autistic so needed to give up work. Anyway there may be a chance can build a PC soon due to a small amount of inheritance (if enough left after bills). Now the idea for a vid..... in my early days we used cards for everything as there wasn’t other options. Even once we could get things built in us gamers/serious users looked for quality boards without all the built in crap and used dedicated cards (dedicated hardware) as they were better, more reliable and took load off cpu as hardware was doing the job. Even 11 years ago it was possible to find a motherboard that was at least low on the built in crap bu it was getting harder. I know stuff can be disabled but I still like a motherboard that concentrates on being the best at its main task and not filled with extras. The challenge. Can you still buy high quality motherboards with no added not necessary features? If not are there any high quality server style boards fit that bill without loosing features that are beneficial to a gamer??! If there is how about a showdown. Build gamer pc with motherboard that has all the crap onboard. Build another to same/equiv cpu (or as close as poss) but which doesn’t have the built in rubbish then use cards for sound, wi-if, potentially Ethernet and graphics (and if cooling needs to be diff to copy with the cards make it so they both have a similar cpu temp), if you had to go server style board as no consumer ones without all the added rubbish and it comes with more men channels than desktop then have same total ram but use all the channels (if have to take that route and more channels are avail may as well see if helps - actually maybe one run with same ram total and same no of channels and another with same ram and all channels so we can see if ram offers an advantage but also see if dedicated cards offer an advantage) Then have fun and stress and benchmark the crap out of them to see if all the built in stuff is good or if proper well build dedicated hardware still has an edge, or if it has an edge but not enough to worry. Many thanks John

  • "They weren't wrong, but they were stupid" That sums up a lot of the decisions made by the gaming industry.

  • f

  • I honestly am surprised that they are so surprised that a Google employee would have such a bigoted opinion. It's yet another symptom of a long running cultural problem of elitism at Google. They actually think that user feedback doesn't matter because they know better, this is so obvious in the latest changes to their products. They're worse than Apple because they have the elitist bigotry but they aren't open about it and lie about it unlike Apple.

  • His new twitter bio is "creative director at staida games and entertainment Montreal"

  • Proshop is for the Whole Scandinavia btw, not just Denmark.

  • "I know NOTHING about Lithuanian copyright law" what!? The hell have I been watching this channel for for the past six years if not the reviews of Lithuanian copyright cases?? Seriously Linus.

  • I'm a Pixel Art Streamer and my stream was taken down for DARAWING MARIO!

  • Stadia wont exist in 1 year. Google kills off everything.

  • A game that falls under fair use? Minecraft 😂 A game that probably lost sales because people streamed it? Minecraft Story Mode.

  • Nobody: Linus: "I like the D"

  • remote working might be a factor, but still Luke talks more when his co-host is not Linus

  • LINUS I NEED TO KNOW there is a program that you can download its meant for office spaces called ASTER able to use multiple screens with other hardware such as 2 mouse and keyboards CAN IT RUN 2 GAMES AT ONCE ?? or instead of mouse and keyboards for instance 2 controllers maybe ??!!

  • Don't sit in a video card queue, just try to get a Gundam card instead and....sit in that queue instead....???

  • RTX 30 series ship numbers. So we're just going to pretend that Covid isn't a thing? For the past 7 months just about everything I've ordered (keyboard, mice, routers, whatever) has been at least 3 months out.

  • I love how youtube claims they don't get involved when they literally get involved. When someone files a claim through youtube I can see youtube turning off that vid (or whatever) but once the original poster replies with NO then youtube should do as they claim, reverse it, back off and don't get involved. The "notice" went out, it did it's job. Now let the claimant go to court and make their argument.

  • Day 122 of asking for a PC thanks 😁👍

  • I miss Luke on LTT

  • You guys gotta prepare a little better...

  • 8:09 - I find it funny that the person complaining that streamers should pay the game devs for the privilege of streaming their games is going to stream a game.

  • The McDonald's Icecream bot, is the hero we needed this year.

  • Even story driven games like FireWatch support streaming because it garners sales more than not.

  • I wonder what the odds are that the last "golden ticket" t-shirt is sitting in someone's house waiting to be opened on Christmas.

  • I have to convert PDF to excel all of the time for work. One of my customers sends their invoices in PDF format and we need an excel file to consolidate and transfer to our system.

  • 1:11:44 Hell yeah I love benchmarking stuff.

  • "Sorry I had something really stupid caught in my throat" - absolute stitches

  • Who even cares about this Nvidia stuff? Adults with to much money for something so unimportant in life sure are crying a lot.

  • Heres the problem, streamers and youtubers can't afford to pay for large amounts of music liscense and theres not enough money to be made selling to this demographic by record labels and music streaming services. Like seriously why would they even bother? How much money would they actually make from a more accessible system for streamers and youtubers? It would only decrease the amount of money they make from companies that can actually pay for music like advertising firms, streaming services, tv and film studios, and radio. You can't devalue your product for one group but not the others.

  • On top of my other comment you’re the reason I don’t buy a lot of products. You should be taxed for that too. You need a tiny hand tax too. 90%

  • Linus you buy an 800$ graphics card and talk about it. Make tons of money. You should be taxed by the retailer 40% in that case. We know you don’t pay for anything you get you just tiny hand job it away from the retailer and make tons of money. I do like you and your channel but if streamers get taxed I hope you get massively taxed.

  • Your point about single player games is mute... look at SW Jedi Fallen Order... if the single player game is good enough, no matter if people stream it, other people will want to buy and play it. Wanting a license to stream a game I've purchased just makes you greedy! Go work for EA.

  • Thats not fair use, you use the phrase ncis and that’s a tv show

  • @30:20 You'd want to create a PDF from excel if you use excel for book keeping and use it to generate invoices. That way you can send people PDFs of the invoice that can't be edited by them. Maybe there's a better way to do that but it's what I've used for 15 years and I'm not changing now.

  • It's pretty obvious that he doesn't see the artist as having a right to claim copyright on a fan art of his character. It's a very common belief that fan art isn't covered by fair use or any other clause that gives the artist credit since it's not their original creation from scratch.

  • I watched a playthrough of Remedy's _Control_ so I could stay in the loop with the GOTY conversation. I never expected to be able to play it on NSwitch. Now it's possible to stream it to NSwitch but I don't have the motivation to buy it myself. I see where the devs are coming from.

  • I heard before that fair use is a defence, not a right.

  • A comment on the narrative story heavy game streams: Honestly out of all types of games, I'm most inclined to NOT watch a narrative game on stream, or perhaps watch the first episode only and then buy it myself, specifically because I don't want to experience it in a streamed format. I'm doing that right now with Amnesia Rebirth, which isn't even a narrative-only game, there's a lot of horror-spook value you get out of playing horror games that you don't necessarily get out of watching it. I'm gonna buy the game, play it, and then watch my favorite streamers play it later. I don't think that's so unusual for streaming fans, really, especially for games like that.

  • Music on youtube currently works like you stream just as anyone else, but immediately after you finished streaming you put the archive members only. That is the only way to not get copy strikes.

  • Linus, you need to revisit poco phone f1. Believe me! Especially we just got miui 12. One of my best purchase ever. In europe there are no ads on the phone, they are just charged a bit extra when I bought it. Ofc it's not the best of the best but honestly a really good phone. 4k60 easy, all of the stuff which was wanky fixed

  • I hope LTT doesn't get too bloated like rooster teeth

  • Nordic gamers need power!

  • When I was streaming persona 4 when it dropped on steam I only streamed the first part of the story and every other time I just streamed the dungeon because the dev asked not to spoil the story for new players

  • As another comment on the effect that streaming has on the story or experience of the game. Bithell Games for "Thomas was alone" put a note in there specifically for streamers thanking them for their interest and sharing it. They just requested that they advise the audience that at the halfway point in the game, it's meant to be experienced a certain way and by watching it you may be spoiling it for themselves, etc. etc. That I think is a really good way to reach out to streamers if the developer is worried about their game being spoiled and such.

  • Secret shopper was the best series you have run in years, looking forward to it. Surprised something similar didn't come sooner

  • The Idea of having music on streams as background music having the same or similar licence to having music in the background of a shop. its not recordable and its not in user control.

  • Welp, the one time I superchat, they don’t read them.

  • 49:20

  • proshop devilers to Scandinavia though.

  • “Fair use” is a defence in copyright infringement. So like Linus said about Nintendo, legally you begin in the “wrong”. The defence is used to make an argument for why you deserve to use the content.

  • Is it just me or just to get back at Nvidia I wanna get the Amd card that’s coming out? I mean u gotta love Nvidia but they need to fix this so people actually get what they put their hard earned money towards

  • What if the cons outweigh the pros of owning an idea? clearsay.net/can-you-own-an-idea

  • Just so you know Proshop does not only supply Denmark but also Germany Poland, Norway, Sweden, Finland Austria So it's not that small a Market

  • Even when it comes to streaming single player narrative games I think there are 3 major types of viewers: "I have no particular interest in this game, but I want to watch my favorite streamer play something." and they view up to the whole game on stream "I am interested in the game, but to check out if it's worth buying / want to watch my favorite streamer play something" and they view the stream and may or may not make a purchase bsed on the content they see. "I may have purchased this game, but instead I'll watch my favorite streamer play it" and experience the entire game vicariously through teh streamer. I feel that last type of viewer is very rare, especially when it comes to very long single player games. Sure SOME people might watch every video (that may reach up to 50+ 30 min videos), but i doubt that would ever happen in such a number to convince a significant amount of potential buyers away from buying it. I think if this DOES happen it's usually for a controversial game. That's my take.

  • "It brokey" is that a twomad reference 🤣

  • I feel like this is basically like if I buy a car and was forced to pay the car company to post pictures on social media. it's beyond retarded in practice.

  • 40:20 proshop might be danish, but it sells to Sweden, Norway, Finland, Poland, Germany and Austria. That's a market of about 150 million people. So not small potato.

  • Linus, will you be doing a review/unboxing for the ASUS Gundam edition stuffs?

  • I hear Lithuania I press "LIKE". NICE! Best regards from Lithuania

  • Is it possible to C&D the stadia guy for his use of the art?

  • Yakuza series comes to mind for a game that is narrative heavy and thus the story could be restricted. But if it was only the combat and mini games then I think it would be fine

  • Give Puget systems a run through the secret shopper gauntlet.

  • This gaming crap reminds me of metallinapsters

  • I learnt a lot about games.... so many different ways games can be appreciated - thanks for opening my eyes a bit :)

  • Adored TV is awesome

  • Regarding converting a PDF to Excel - which Linus seemed rather baffled by. In the logistics industry where e.g. purchase orders/packing lists (containing a list of items and item information) are sometimes sent between companies in PDF form. Being able to convert that to Excel for upload to an internal system, instead of manually copying or (god forbid) transcribing the values is an EXTREMELY valuable tool. (Why this information is sent in PDF form in the first place usually involves antiquated technology/practices and a resistance to change)

  • GG Nivida?

  • “why would you want to convert excel to PDF and PDF to excel” Electronic Medical Records systems. It’s as cumbersome as it sounds.

  • Jensen's kitchen looks like an office desk :-p

  • Cringiest live chat of al time lol. Nothing but spamming a 5 year old meme. Y'all got any moderation?

  • You need to do an episode on ad hoc mesh networks (and LTE direct, PoSe Proximity Service), there are so much innovative tech you should talk about instead of building yet another gaming pc with the same boring specs or watercooling some kind of electronics no one cares about.

  • Yo Linus is stoned

  • I keep thinking that Microsoft Teams notification sound came from my laptop. Opening it to be confused that there's no new messages.

  • If you buy a game, aren't you also buying a license to play it? Not every streamer gets their games for free; certainly not the smaller channels. And then bigger channels get sent games by developers explicitly to play. Hutchinson is a bit of a dumbass.

  • For some reason I still looked at the job listings even though I don't live in Vancouver and they couldn't afford me anyway.

  • did anyone else sit there trying to work out who messaged them on teams? (facepalm)

  • The thing that gets me is that Alex mentions not paying for the game... But for a lot of people who didn't get a promotion copy, they did purchase the game in order to stream it. ~shrugs~ Man it is a bad take...

  • For the idea of lttstore being a pc store you could secretly put up your stuff you don’t need on the store

  • I'm glad that y'all explained the fair use laws. Things like this seem to be like the wild west, at least for now. (To be clear, I can only speak for American law) But, in the end, whatever the court decides is the law for that particular incident. (Unless you appeal I guess?)

  • Good thing minecraft doesnt care about people playing their game and making videos on them

  • "I believe the word for this is, 'oof,' as the kids say... or 'big oof'" linus you're aging yourself so much more than you need to

  • I completely and utterly disagree with the idea that music cannot be transformed by visuals. There are several songs that I hated until I saw a music video of it. And typically the video was fan-made rather than of the official one.

  • 1:08:20 - it can work that way, for example see EDM lyrics. great example is this - /watch?v=xl4ozrTuQE0 It was even complemented by music creator. So yeah, you can make that argument IMHO in some scenarios, but what do I know.

  • Sometimes you have old documents or drawings with tables in scanned PDF form and it really helps to be able to get them into excel automagically

  • Someone teach linus how to mute notifications

  • Kitchen is awful, expensive with no taste. The cooker has never been used.

  • you guys realize by simply buying nvidia cards you legitimize and condone this behaviour by simply FUNDING THIS PRACTICE. stop being stupid and funding them or stop bitching about it when they treat customers like this. if i were to make an analogy here; this is literally like feeding the hand that SLAPS you, every. single. time.

  • Micro transactions have no place in games you pay for

  • for the license stuff I watched all of henry stickman but I still paid for the collection has I loved the work and detail and wanted to support it but have not played it myself I know it may not or maybe it is common place to do it but that s how I felt about it

  • Linus !!! Can tech industry start speaking up about lack of anti cheat on pc? Pc online gaming is getting destroyed at moment due to lack of anti cheat. Bfv is so bad now its unplayable..level 500 cheaters u report for a year and nothing happens. Contacted ea with complaint and proof of cheaters and they say press report button...complete joke.ea yells about bf6 ....after cheater infested bfv EAbcan eat my shorts.

  • There is only one Anthony.

  • McDonalds employees jumping at the opportunity to explain why ice cream machines are "broken" is like Yen Sid from Kingdom Hearts jumping at the opportunity to explain what his name spelled backwards is

  • When are the LTT mouse pads going to come out? I see it on short circuit every day.

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  • Half of the games I play are because of the videos/highlights I watch from streamers that also upload on HRwiki. Edit: Not to mention that 2/3 of the time Im watching the streamer and his friends being idiots rather than the game/gameplay.

  • Walking simulators are not even really a game. Especially ones that only take a couple hours to even get through. So that is incredibly niche and no actual evidence showing their sales hurt cuz people watch a streamer play a game. Also there are plenty of single player games that get streamed and still sell well enough or most times even better

  • 14:10 - Long single player games like that need preorders and backing during the development phase. Look at Cyan worlds (creators of Myst, Riven, Obduction and so on). The games get TOTALLY ruined by someone streaming it, since its main element is to figure things out. They create games based on pre backing. Their next game Firmament looks great. So yes. Its possible to create games like that, but you need to start building up hype BEFORE the game is out and start selling the game before people get spoiled on the internet. People who preorder or preback a game like that will try to avoid getting spoiled by things online when its released.

  • I am pretty sure Proshop ships to all Nordic countries, or atleast Scandinavia. I bought my graphics card from their Swedish site. If you count only scandinavian population it's around 21 million.

  • For that first discussion that's basically what happened with me. I watched fire watch streams and ended up not buying it cause I got like 80% of the game from just watching. Cool game. But no reason to get the game now.

  • Big oof is back.